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[Tripp]

Fox Hunting and this recent wave of "Fox attacks"

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The three-year-old boy was injured as he played outside at a playground where a fox had made its den for a year or so. Photograph: Jerry Young/Getty Images/Dorling Kindersley

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Police have been placed on guard outside the family home where two baby girls were mauled by a fox, following online threats from animal rights activists.

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The two nine-month-olds, Isabella and Lola Koupparis, were understood to have been mauled by the fox as they slept in a bedroom in their east London home. Police were called to the three-storey Victorian terraced house in Hackney, on Saturday night after the toddlers' parents, Nick and Pauline Koupparis, raised the alarm at 10pm.

Sure is in the news lately isn't it? For England I mean.
OOOH The bad foxeh is attacking my BABY!

What the fuck? Have you noticed that this ALL started when the Tories got to power? We all know where the Tories stood on Fox Hunting. They were FOR it. I didn't want either Tories or Lib Dem in parliment, and I feel my right as a British Citiezen, to complain. (I voted Monster Raving Looney Party)


And to make it clear, I am NOT against fox hunting, I believe it should be more FAIR and should be more... Whats the word... Humane [Thanks JJXB for helping me get that word outta my sleepy head] so I am not FOR fox hunting either. (Before any of you start HOOTing at me.)

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The Loony party policy on Foxhunting is clear:
Hunting with dogs will be made fairer by allowing only one dog per fox. Additionally the dogs used are too agile to give the fox a fighting chance. The use of Old English Sheepdogs (couldn't really see the fox properly) and Dachshunds (stubby legs and liable to grounding) would even the odds considerably. Someone else mentioned Che Wa Wa's , but I think they were being a bit silly.

I think it's a little strange that the Tories have gotten into power, and suddendly. There is a wave of fox attacks. I think something is fishy.


For those that aren't aware of what goes on in a fox hunt. Here is the basic idea.

Fox Hunting is a sport carried out by rich toffs on horses who have nothing better to do on a Saturday morning, they have about 100 dogs, and they're all on the hunt for one poor little fox. They chase the fox for miles and miles until the poor thing can't run no more. Then the fox is ripped to shreads ALIVE, by the dogs.

Now I ask you. Is that RIGHT?

If we have to fox hunt, can it be on more civil terms? We banned cock fighting in the UK. We banned other animal sports in the UK. Why should this be acceptable?

Then again why is alchahol legal, and cannabis illegal? That's another debate entirely...

Discuss...

[I never do a half arsed job at these debate things. When I go in. I put it all in. I am sorry if the picture offends you. But people need to know the truth. I only hope someone randomly finds this post on Google. xD]

[NeppyNepNep]

Personally I am against fox hunting, because it is inhumane and unfair on the foxes. It just shows that most rich bastards don't care for the poor animals that are chased. Personally, I think if they had their way, they would drive to foxes to extinction, and look for something else to hunt. Look out, deer will be the next in the news, attacking people! Lawlz.

Anyways... the newspapers are spewing articles out of their rear ends, to put it nicely. Foxes wouldn't attack like that, they would be to scared to and run away. They're terribly timid creatures. They would not attack unless they were put into a corner and slapped or something.

Are people really falling for this crap?

[Serlina]

I'm against fox hunting.

20 years upon this Earth and I have seen a fox once, I've seen plenty dead at the sides of roads or shot dead but never have I seen one alive...their beautiful creatures. I can't see why fox hunting should be brought back, its inhumane and wrong to kill such beautiful creatures.

The recent attacks on children that have suddenly appeared since the Tories have come into power are VERY strange, I find the attack on the twin baby girls most suspicious as the 'fox' came in throught the back patio doors, went up the stairs, into the childrens' bedroom and then it CLIMBED into their cot/cribe...could someone explain to me how a fox would climb into a cribe? Could someone also tell me how, althought sleeping in the living room, their Mother heard nothing?!

Foxes are not quite creatures when scared, upset or hurt, they are VERY vocal.

I don't know it all just sounds VERY strange to me...almost a set up.

[NeppyNepNep]

The question you should be asking, is how the foxes became so brave as to even enter the hole and enter the children's crib. Also, a fox would be no where near a party... they'll be to scared to be anywhere near it, they would disappear in a flash of an eye. They get scared witless by a passing train, so fuck being near humans having a loud party.

[Serlina]

Ah yes that little boy that got bitten at a play park where a party was being held. You are correct, while foxes have taken to wandering suburban areas they are NOT bold enough to remain in place when there's a party. However the argument is that the fox was making a den...if it was making a den it would be down in the earth so...how did it bite the kid? I mean unless he had his arm shoved down the hole, which is thick, then there's no way a fox would bite. They will either run away and abandone what their doing or they will run to a den.

[NeppyNepNep]

The fox was underneath a little building. Sometimes they make their dens under sheds etc. However they remain deep inside when there are humans about, and they would not be bold enough to make a den in a park which has people visiting daily. Especially a building which people generally are.

[Malevolent]

I'm against fox-hunting - I never actually knew stuff like this went on in some places. The areas I've lived in, foxes/coyotes are abundant, if you drive down the highway, chances are you'll see one of the other in the brush by the side of the road. Everytime my friend and I have driven at night, we've almost hit one. There's got to be a better way to handle a fox problem than that -- we've handled mountain lions on playgrounds around here more humanely than that.

And both of you are right - they don't stay around people. The only time they're close to people around here would be when farmers start haying, and they'll stand behind the tractors and attack small rodents that come up. Coyotes won't even come into my grandparent's yard during the night, despite the years they had chickens. This just sounds ridiculous.. I've never heard of fox attacks before.

[MissTengu]

Ganja Kitty missed out something else that happens on these fox hunts; Children are bought along to these barbaric events. Yes CHILDREN as young as 5 go to these events. And at the age of 10 they take part as a right of passage. Then once the fox is mauled to death, the child is taken to it's body and then they have the blood and organs of the fox smothered all over them.
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This is just the tip of the ice berg that goes on at these events. I won't go into full details on what exactly happens, since it would probably make some of you sick to your stomach about it. But lets just say it doesn't end at sending dogs to chase. YOU yourself take part in the hunt. It's all about chasing the poor creature and using ANY means to make the hunt last until you kill it. (Fact: 8/10 of those hunted foxes are actually vixens nursing or carrying cubs.)

Now I am sure not a lot of you know full details or the history of fox hunting. But it is a very old English traditional sport, that I has been going on for 478 years. It was used as a way for rich knobs to socialize and a thing to do while negotiation over business matters took place. (Just like Golf is used these days.) Also sadly, at one point rich family's used this as an excuse for the males of the family show they had become men. Sounds silly to put a 10 year old through that bs. But you have to think. Back in those days life expectancy wasn't as long, and marriages to children of 12-14 were considered normal and ok. (The females had NO say. It was always down to the father of the daughter.) So for 478 years this sport has been a traditional right of passage. (In the UK any who.)

Believe it or not I am pro-animal rights, and only know all this; because when I was 12-15 I was a hardcore animal rights person. And as a result; learned all the horrible shit that goes on. I almost turned vegan. But alas my cravings for meat (even after I learned about what happened during the killing process and living conditions, at the time.) was too much for me to battle.

So yeah I am against fox hunting too. And I don't like the excuses that are used to justify the brutality. The most common argument a pro-fox hunting person would use is: "It's a very old English tradition, and it will be throwing away part of our heritage!" Yes I am serious. Next to: "If we don't control the population they will plague us with diseases and destroy our livestock!" Both of which are bs excuses.

Yes I do agree with population control. But done in a humane way. Not hunted in such a barbaric manner.

As for the resent news story's. I also call bs on it. Like people have said: Tory's are known to be pro-fox hunting. And even though the RSPCA got it banned, and made it law that control via humane ways were put in. Tory's can easily revoke those laws. So I think that pro-fox hunting family's are using this opportunity to get sympathy and more support for pro-hunting.

Since the RSPCA have been pushing for more laws and basic standards to be put down, for the treatment of animals. We as emotionally and ethical people acknowledge when something is cruel and needs to be stopped. So the numbers of people who are against fox hunting is growing, while people who are pro-hunting are slowly dwindling.

See where I am going with this?

My opinion:

Tory's have nothing to do with the story's. It's pro-hunting people who are making this shit up to get a known pro-hunting party to revoke a law, that took a fuck load of work to get put down in the first place.

[NeppyNepNep]

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FemaleTengu. There are been pro-fox hunting people for decades. Yet, there has been NOTHING in the papers about fox attacks on children. Do you not find it the least bit suspicious that as soon as the Tories, [A fuck the poor we're RICH party] come into power, there have been this fox attacks on children.

Do you not find that in the slightest suspicious!? We have known for ages that the Tories want to have Fox Hunting legalised. In fact they said that that was one of the things that was going to happen when they got into power. Coincidence much??

Sorry, but I think you are wrong in the fact that the Tories have nothing to do with it. There is just to much suspicious evidence pointing towards the Tories being responsible. They do control the news after all, saying what can be and what cannot be shown to the public. They control what news if spoon fed to us.

[MissTengu]

I know there have been. But when Tories were in before Labor; they could of put a law where no matter what fox hunting would be legal. Yet they didn't. I don't deny that it is suspicious that this is happening as they come into power. But with all the hard work and evidence that debunks these claims, I doubt they'll revoke the law any time soon.

A lot of time and money was put into an investigation, before they made it illegal to hunt foxes. All they have to do is look at the facts and compare them to these outlandish claims. Also if they did revoke the law, shit will hit the fan pretty badly.

[NeppyNepNep]

The Tories won't care if shit hit the fan. They're a rich party. They don't care about the poor or anyone else apart from themselves. What they are doing is slowly making the public think that Foxes are dangerous and need eradicating. So when they DO legalise it, the public won't care. The government are manipulative, shaping peoples belief's by what they put in the news and HOW it is written.

Notice that they are CHILDREN and not adults? People feel more angry about children being attacked because they are our young and we feel protective towards them. If it was an adult being attacked, people won't care much. No... they are playing with our feelings like a fucking lute. Read carefully the news articles and read any future ones and you will see what I mean.

[Serlina]

*Claps* Very well said Neptune and all of what you said is complete truth!

The Goverment is manipulating us into thinking eradicating foxes by fox hunting would be a good move. Torries are for the rich and they've already began to fuck us working class people over, I know that they were meant to bring change to us but all I can see in our future beneath a Torrie Goverment is hard times for the poor and working classes. No matter what is said the Goverment is going to royaly fuck us over and this is just the start of it, so far the new Goverment has only taken down Labour changes, what's to say this Fox Hunting ban, a Labour idea, won't be ripped down soon?

It's going to happen, either VERY fast or VERY slowly, either way its began and their already trying to manipulate our minds into thinking of foxes as 'Bad'.

[MissTengu]

From what I have been observing of late the Tories are actually trying to be fair to us poor folk. Also it's Labor that left a massive mess for them to clear up. They also made a promise to everyone to make sure us poor folk won't suffer too bad, when they got into power. I personally think Tories DO care if shit hits the fan.The British public voted them in to give them another chance to prove they won't totally fuck us over, like Labor have. (Labor left them with a £5 billion deficit, and no plans to deal with it. So I think considering they have been left with that burden. They are doing pretty well.) So you really think with Lib Dems by their sides that they would fuck us poor folk over and do this.a month after getting in? I doubt it. They are trying to be fair at the minute and for once are being honest. Not as open as a lot of people would like. But yeah...

And actually the fox hunting ban wasn't a Labor idea. They just pass it through parliament, voted and made it official. The idea was down to anti-hunting groups and the RSPCA.

When it comes to Tories I am sitting on the bench and watching very carefully. They hold Britain's very fragile future in their hands. After black Wednesday (which is the reason everyone was too scared to vote them back in for so long after Labor fucked us over.) I think they want to prove they won't make the same mistake again, and will be fair.

The way I see things; no matter what Government we get, in some shape or form some of the population WILL suffer and get fucked over. So lets give these assholes a chance to prove they can do better and not totally fuck everyone over, and to see if indeed if they have "grown up" as they claim.

I do see both your points. But to me; as long as Wildlife experts and the RSPCA speak up and continue to point out how strange the behavior is. People should believe them and I think the law will be fine. If the law does get revoked I am sure there will be a massive uproar. Something David Cameron doesn't want to trigger. Plus I doubt it would be revoked while Nick Clegg is there. He is there to make sure Tories don't totally fuck us over. And to my knowledge is anti-fox hunting.

[NeppyNepNep]

I never said that the fox hunting ban was a Labour idea. I KNOW it is due to the work of people like the RSPCA. I am not disputing that fact. And just because they have the crap that Labour has dumped on them doesn't mean that they can't start subtlety getting things their way. The whole thing about what Labour have done out-shadows it, so people are only paying half a mind to it. So they are, if you think about it, they are being very sneaky about it. Brain washing the population.

And where are the RSPCA quoting about the strange behaviour? Do you have proof of this?

[MissTengu]

It was Serlina I was referring to when I made the comment about it not being a Labor idea. My apologies for not making it clear whom I was directing the comment at. I shall do in the future.

Given it doesn't stop them being sneaky. But as long as there are people around who don't believe in this bullshit, I am sure reason will chase away the unreasonable.

And I quote from this article:

http://news.bbc.co.u...nd/10251349.stm

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John Bryant, a pest control consultant who specialises in foxes, said the attack did not sound like typical fox behaviour. Mr Bryant, who is an RSPCA Trustee and a member of its Wild Animals Strategy Committee, said: "They will walk into houses, walk round, mess on the bathroom floor and sometimes sleep on the bed if people are not around.

"It just doesn't make any sense to me."

He doesn't exactly say strange. But he is basically saying it. To me he is an expert in the matter and is finding it out of the ordinary that the fox attacked those twins. Aka he doesn't believe a fox would do what they are claiming.

[NeppyNepNep]

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"I put on the light, I saw the fox, it just looked at me and it wasn't even scared of me.

I'm sorry... but what? WHAT!? Not afraid of her? That's bollocks right there. Foxes are extremely timid and shy. Just making the smallest amount of noise will startle them and make them run off. Unless that fox was raised by humans, there is NO way that that fox wouldn't have been afraid of her.

In my personal opinion, I think she is using the fox as an excuse and that she is... Actually I won't finish that sentence off, but I think you all know where I was going with that.

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He said: "I wrote that hungry stray foxes are prone to be unpredictable and it seems to me that in a heavily built-up area where there's a considerable mix of very young and very old people the problem should not be taken lightly.

PAH! Foxes always dig around in our rubbish and eat left over food. As well as hunting rats and mice which are very common around built up areas which is what attracted the foxes in the first place. So it is highly unlikely that there will be foxes THAT hungry wondering about the place.

~shakes head~ This story REEKS of Bullshit. Anyone with a lick of common sense can sense that.

Yeah... you watch. Next time it will be an even younger child. Perhaps a newborn. You watch it.

[MissTengu]

Yes I see where you are going. >.> And I know the story sinks of bullshit. Since as you pointed out; the fact alone of what that women said says that it is a lie. (Everyone knows what foxes are like, and why we have the damn ban.) I reckon her dog or some shit did it, and she is pro-hunting and was all. "I know. There are foxes round here. I'll blame those!" And that dude who wrote that shit is obviously no animal expert. Which is probably why he got ignored. As I think all these wildlife people WOULD know what animals do and don't do under different circumstances. (Well they have been studying these animals for over 100 years.)

I will be watching and calling bullshit on everything I see. Also if it gets raised as subject matter on BBC news I will email them about it. >.>

[NeppyNepNep]

And be like "WTF IS THIS SHIT!?" xD

But yeah... I do think that the government at least have some involvement in the issue. It's just so suspicious, a little TOO suspicious!

[MissTengu]

Yes but in more polite words, that don't make me look like the average unemployed 25 year old dumb shit. ;D

Sadly, all we can do is sit and watch for now. Then when they try shit, make them realise shit just got real. >.>